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Post by tjaman on Apr 19, 2007 12:38:43 GMT -5
Our board is be-purpled! ;D
And now, someone do "twoo" love.
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Post by PyleansDontLeaveMe on Apr 19, 2007 12:43:25 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
The only true love is gay love.
Hot gay love.
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I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
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Post by tjaman on Apr 19, 2007 12:44:42 GMT -5
Wub.
TWOO wub.
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Post by PyleansDontLeaveMe on Apr 19, 2007 13:02:39 GMT -5
TWOO hot gay anonymous lub...
In Cowwege. With Swoe Gin.
(Interesting cosmic convergeance note - As I was typing that, the dog actually stood up and vomited at my feet. Bear, for those who may be interested.)
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Post by Dr. Purple Goddess on Apr 19, 2007 13:07:14 GMT -5
Some would say vomiting is one of the more pleasurable results of a thread like this
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Post by GreatMuppetyNick on Apr 19, 2007 20:21:22 GMT -5
I assume Bear was disgusted...
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... with Gin
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Post by Rebelman on Apr 21, 2007 10:59:30 GMT -5
Well this thread went to hell mighty fast
I will agree with Feigy for the most part except for there is a greater form of love and that love is unconditional selfless love.
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Post by quantumcat on Apr 21, 2007 14:32:07 GMT -5
I think she got that in there. I'm prejudiced,of course,but I think the better kinds of love either lead to agape or come from it. Either way, the 'default setting' love kicks in at some point and strengthens and sustains all the rest. Endorphins,prolactin,etc. can make it easy to form attatchments. Practical,rational reasons can give us inentives for those relationships. But the agape is what holds it all together even when the baby is smelly and cranky,your sweetheart is boring,your country needs a direct nuclear strike to improve social conditions and even the pets are more trouble than they're worth. Some of us get our first taste of agape in relationship to God. Some see it first in regular life and maybe the God-bond comes later. But it's the same unselfish,unconditional,freestanding love that isn't powered by whim or circumastance. It isn't about what we've earned or deserve or need. It just IS and it makes everything else that much more worthwhile. It's not that you can't have a true love without it so much as it's way too hard to have a false love with it. It does too good a job at providing energy and clarity to the relationships we have in life. We can even like and respect ourselves. Now... Remember,you asked for this...... I give to you and you give to me, True love, true love. So on and on it'll always be, True love, true love. For you and I Have a guardian angel On high, With nothin' to do. But to give to you and to give to me, Love forever true.
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Post by tjaman on Apr 21, 2007 16:42:20 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Purple Goddess on Apr 23, 2007 7:49:59 GMT -5
While I didn't say anything directly about "unconditional love" I think it's pretty implied in the idea of loving someone when it's just mundane, when the chips are down, or when there seems like no reason in the world to continue to invest the emotional attachment to someone or something.
I was talking to my brother on the phone not long ago about my little bundle of joy that's on the way. Along with the usual statements of "kids are a lot of work, but they're worth it" he said something I found interesting. He said..."you know, it's the only real love you'll ever experience in your whole life, having a kid."
I think the basis for that statement lies in the idea of "unconditional love". Unfortunately at some point unconditional love gets thrown overboard with trying to raise your kids right and protecting them. But in the beginning it really must be unconditional.
I think this because basically you love your baby, take care of it, feed it, cloth it, and it does absolutely nothing for you because it isn't capable of contributing in any way at all. Oh sure, they may smile at you or laugh, but really you aren't getting any feedback whatsoever that your efforts are even appreciated.
Which actually brings me to the issue of post-pardem depression...but that's for another thread and another diatribe...
But I think my brother's statement was basically about the idea that as a parent you finally get to experience unconditional love. I suppose that's really what we're all looking for in life.
But I wouldn't recommend popping out kids just to find it.
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Post by quantumcat on Apr 23, 2007 23:00:33 GMT -5
Most folk respond favorably to the cute and helpless part of little beings. That bit can be strictly hormonal,societal or the way we're hardwired. It can be influenced by whether we have post-partum depression,etc. It's sort of like limerence in that respect. The real parental love goes beyond that. The child's response goes beyond its physical needs. It's KNOWING who the other is and just loving them because they are-no other reason. The other reasons may exist,too-along with obligations -but it's true that this love is different. Yes,it keeps the species going but it also kicks in when it makes absolutely no sense to love this wee person otherwise. ("You need 24 dozen cupcakes for homeroom WHEN???" ) The child loves the parent,too-even when they aren't easy to like. ("Can't Mom be wrong just this once?") Somewhere between loving the living,breathing doll and loving the person your child has become is the unconditional love that makes the feedings,stretch marks,labor and parenting worth it. You realize you love them and they've decided to discover and implement love just so they can apply it to you. ("Nice world you got here. Ya know somethin'? This being born and living gig just might be o.k. after all...")
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Post by quantumcat on Apr 24, 2007 2:51:06 GMT -5
BTW, O Amethyst Amazon!!!,your absence has left a violet void of misery around here. Our sole consolation was presuming that real life was giving you all the joy you merit and that you and your family were doing well. How are you and the baby doing? Have you got your names narrowed down any further? (We can't call it "Holy Vessel II " forever.....
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Post by Dr. Purple Goddess on Apr 24, 2007 5:20:44 GMT -5
Still up in the air about the Girl names. But I'm not really focusing on that until the next ultrasound when we find out what it's going to be. We're both pretty stuck on the idea of it being a boy.
I'm doing much better now. The first trimester was a real pita but the second seems to be going pretty smoothly so far. It's still hard to believe I have a little person growing in there. I'm not really showing much yet and the little movement I do feel at this point can almost easily be passed off for gas or something.
While I'm not looking forward to being overburdened this summer. I will be a bit more excited when I have more definate signs of life. I admit, I'm working my way to being excited about the whole thing. Though I've decided not to admit it out loud.
I have a moral obligation to the world to prove that being knocked up isn't all sweetness and light and that no I don't friggin glow!! haha
All kidding aside though, I guess this parenthood thing won't be so bad. It puts a kink in my plans for a career, but those weren't exactly going very well anyhow.
At least now when people ask me what I do, I can say "I'm an expectant mother, and will be a "stay at home mom". And I can use that for as long as I haven't gotten a job lined up.
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Post by quantumcat on Apr 24, 2007 12:40:35 GMT -5
But you glowed even before you were pregnant!!! I'm glad you're getting to enjoy even this un-hyped,de-mythologized pregnancy. I can't swear that all conceptions are miraculous but yours is because you're the one who's helping to bring this unique new person into being. Boy or girl,they'll be one of a kind. They couldn't have chosen a better person to be their mom. It was the least this baby could do to get you off the unemployment line. Of course,now that you have a full-time job till the kid grows up (that's 35,right?), you'll get offers right and left from people who want you to do your counselling and testing thang while you're trying serve apples n' squash, fasten a onsie and sing 'Eensy Weensy Spider' in three languages. While the mags on the newstands try to determine what truly makes a woman whole ( outside career or motherhood at home ), your kid will know that this mama was complete before jobs or babies ever entered the picture. You 've never needed to be defined by what you do. All you give,all you accomplish is just an outgrowth of who you are. Now,your body-just like your advice- is offering the world a gift in the form of a separate,functional human being and what you've enabled them to contribute. Whether your tool is your womb or your brain,that's a pretty wonderful thing to help build.
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Post by PyleansDontLeaveMe on Oct 15, 2010 15:48:34 GMT -5
Love has an unfortunate tendency to go badly.
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