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Post by Rebelman on May 26, 2006 14:08:18 GMT -5
FeigyOne of the reasons you see me as this way is because where I stand don't but heads well with most wordliness. That is the primary reason you feel I am unhappy and apparently don't have hope either. I assure you for yet another time that Yes I have both joy, happy and hope. Can I help the fact that I love the LORD? Nope, and that will just have to anger people because I just aint changing that. Do I support religion? I said this last year and I will say it again. No as well. I support the individual in their life not the boundaries.
Py, TJ and Qcat are polar opposites to me. It just seems to come off that I don't know anything about happiness. And yet again I assure you I am.
Nothing I ever achieved in life was ever handed over. I saw it, had a storm and ran the storm away with fiery passion. That is what keeps me very much stable. I just have not posted here in so many months that half seems to run off. And I don't tend to fit in with most crowds which also adds as well
But with the ones that know me well can tell you just as I have said. You start off one way and you work up to something better. Just because I am the youngest one on the forum does not auto mean that I am unknowledgable on happiness.
Despite the fact that you feel I am lying I still love you anyway Doctor Feigy and I know you are a wonderful person.
QuantumCat - - What you just described with the reaction just described me. Just the other day I had a cattle reaction and was singing at the top of my lungs. You could probably hear me a mile down the road singing love songs. That is how you survive life with a passion. Your dreams and hopes keep you ticking. Once you lose them you die. And my dreams and hopes shall never die but will overcome all
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Post by quantumcat on May 26, 2006 14:33:32 GMT -5
Chris DOES seem more cheerful on the phone. It's easy to get into the stereotyped Old Testament prophet mode when you're a new believer-especially if folks around you seem to think you've grown two heads. That part fades as you and those around you get used to the new mindset. I was very bad about that but then, when I first learned my 3 R's, I was trying to read,spell and multiply for everyone I met. (Did y'all know that with each multiple of 9 you can add the digits and it'll make 9? Honest!) Is THAT what that was,Reb? I thought they were filming another music video around here! Let the music out all you can,hon. Remember,Angel could have chased off a lot more demons with his singing than with the broodybutt thang going.
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Post by Dr. Purple Goddess on May 26, 2006 14:42:04 GMT -5
FeigyOne of the reasons you see me as this way is because where I stand don't but heads well with most wordliness. That is the primary reason you feel I am unhappy and apparently don't have hope either. I assure you for yet another time that Yes I have both joy, happy and hope. Can I help the fact that I love the LORD? Nope, and that will just have to anger people because I just aint changing that. Do I support religion? I said this last year and I will say it again. No as well. I support the individual in their life not the boundaries.
Py, TJ and Qcat are polar opposites to me. It just seems to come off that I don't know anything about happiness. And yet again I assure you I am.
Nothing I ever achieved in life was ever handed over. I saw it, had a storm and ran the storm away with fiery passion. That is what keeps me very much stable. I just have not posted here in so many months that half seems to run off. And I don't tend to fit in with most crowds which also adds as well
But with the ones that know me well can tell you just as I have said. You start off one way and you work up to something better. Just because I am the youngest one on the forum does not auto mean that I am unknowledgable on happiness.
Despite the fact that you feel I am lying I still love you anyway Doctor Feigy and I know you are a wonderful person.
QuantumCat - - What you just described with the reaction just described me. Just the other day I had a cattle reaction and was singing at the top of my lungs. You could probably hear me a mile down the road singing love songs. That is how you survive life with a passion. Your dreams and hopes keep you ticking. Once you lose them you die. And my dreams and hopes shall never die but will overcome all
Dude, I'm not saying skite about whether you love the lord or not. I'm sure you're the most faithful devout and bla bla bla religious person ever. I am not hating on you because you believe in God or how you use sprituality in your life.
I am annoyed that you assume the reason I say you have no joy and whatnot is because I don't believe as you do or because I think you should change who you are.
Honestly, I think you're about dancing around the root of matters when you post here. You cannot be susinct on anything except that people hate you cause you praise the Lord.
I don't hate anyone, but I will say I don't like the mind games you try to play. I'm far too old and too smart to buy into your martyr shpeal and you can take that how you want to. But my message was clear. You come in here spouting your dogma and yet you contribute nothing else to the board. So, yeah, if I get an impression of you that you see as wrong, it's because of what you choose to bring to us.
Yeah if you want to go whine to someone about how I hate you because of what I wrote in this post so be it. All I was asking for was a little broader view of Reb around here. Not to denounce your beliefs or ask you to comporomise them.
I do not percieve you in a gloomy light because of what you say about your spirituality. I will never judge anyone for what they believe... but I will judge you on your actions and your overall attitude. And so far, all we get is the reb who cares not about what's going on in the lives of anyone on this board consequential or not. All we hear from you is God this and God that. Yeah he's great. But c'mon can't you have a regular conversation from crimenies sake?! Not to mention that when you reply to people's posts you don't even acknowledge anything you can discuss without getting on a soap box. You poo poo'd Qcat's very valid post. And you even agreed with her on points. But instead of joining with her in a conversation...it just looked like you mowed over her points and twisted them up into something else. And as far as I can tell you guys have much the same belief systems...She's just got a more pragmatic way of presenting and incorperating it in her life and with others.
Ok, I'm sorry if I let some of my anger get the best of me here, but honestly I'm sick of your little game about people hating you because you believe the way you do. That isn't so... and friends should be able to tell you stuff like this. But if you don't like it, then I understand if you don't consider me a friend anymore. The only thing I can say is that it's not your beliefs I have a problem with, it's your lack of showing us your ability to find a happy medium on anything. Everything's so dramatic and one way or the other to you. So as a friend, I'm just telling you this stuff. And if that means I'm not your friend anymore, than so be it.
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Post by Dr. Purple Goddess on May 26, 2006 14:58:29 GMT -5
Oh, and nowhere in my posts did I say you were a gorram liar!! It's funny how that's the assumption you take... doesn't seem all that optimistic a view to me. It's nobody's fault but your own if you don't fit in here as you say. You could easily fit in if you weren't so determined to assume everyone has it in for you and what you believe. Or that you only come here to discuss religion. Just because not all of us want to talk about that stuff all the time doesn't mean we're secular and evil and whatever. as for references from people who know you. I don't need them. Or at least I didn't think I did. But if you aren't willing to just hang out and let people get to know you, then it's your fault if you don't like the impression we (the people who don't know you) get of you. It's not up to the people who "know" you to make you come off as a joyful person.
ok. I'm done. I'm sorry I even did this.
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Post by tjaman on May 26, 2006 15:15:03 GMT -5
Effort is effort, and it's all appreciated, Feigy.
And Q. And Reb. And Bango. And the all too elusive Py.
C'mon everyone. HUGGLES!
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Post by Dr. Purple Goddess on May 26, 2006 15:18:53 GMT -5
Effort is effort, and it's all appreciated, Feigy.
And Q. And Reb. And Bango. And the all too elusive Py.
C'mon everyone. HUGGLES!
Thank's teej the hug is definately in need /me joins group hug
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Post by quantumcat on May 26, 2006 15:58:46 GMT -5
If I'm a bit more mellow than Reb,remember I've had three decades more experience at this. It's not despising a person for their youth to be certain that even the most together neophytes can get a better handle on things with time. When I was new to the Word,I figured greeting the bretheren with a holy kiss meant being sure tongues were involved. We live and learn.
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Post by Dr. Purple Goddess on May 26, 2006 16:02:08 GMT -5
If I'm a bit more mellow than Reb,remember I've had three decades more experience at this. It's not despising a person for their youth to be certain that even the most together neophytes can get a better handle on things with time. When I was new to the Word,I figured greeting the bretheren with a holy kiss meant being sure tongues were involved. We live and learn.
tis tru q. I understand about the age thing. and again, not judging him for his beliefs. or even methods...just wish he wasn't always on it in here so we could get to know about him. But if he chooses not to I guess I'll just have to accept that.
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Post by quantumcat on May 26, 2006 16:18:56 GMT -5
I think he's getting it.
Think of Reb as Connor.
He's lived as long as he can remember in a hell dimension.
Now,he's free but there are still dangers around and it's still easier to have one eye out for monsters and your hand on a weapon than to go making wishes on dandelions.
In Connor's case,he had to forget both his lives to start over.
But Reb has it easier.
All he has to do is embrace what the re-invented Connor learned.
It doesn't matter where you've come from,what you've done or what demonic taint you might have inherited.
When your Father loves you enough to erase the mistakes and give you a new life as a new person,then even a plain old human in a world of scheming monsters can do just fine and you can do it all while living a simple,pleasant life surrounded by the sheer zest to be found in living and by enjoying loving and being loved by others.
Connor was a far better Champion once he stopped living as if every moment was a battle between him and the darkness and just started being a regular boy.
Let the darkness have nightmares about him for a change.
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Post by dEz on May 28, 2006 17:50:21 GMT -5
I'm looking at this thread from an outsider point of view, not wanting to participate in any discussions in the past here. However, the last pages are concerning to me. I am very upset with what I see happening here.
I do not believe what I have just read was Py's intent for this thread. And in an effort to restore some mission and guidance back, I wish to post the following;
The main mission of this thread was to dissect sections of the bible and talk about it's contents, relay points of view from all beliefs and opinions. Responsibly, objectively, sensibly.
But right now, I am seeing allot of finger pointing type discussions breaking away from the original exercises. I see judgment cast between people, and hurt feelings as a direct result.
As a messenger of Gods words below, I feel this statement is imperative for the health of this thread and that is; no man shall pass judgment upon another here.
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Romans 2:6-10
Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. 3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
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1Timothy 2:5
For there is one GOD, and one Mediator between GOD and men, Himself man, Christ Jesus."
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Post by tjaman on May 28, 2006 18:10:02 GMT -5
Thought we had a group hug going already. Oh well ...
And dez, this is what happens with unmoderated discussions around here -- and the reason the Bible thread needed lockage.
While respecting and recognizing Py is too busy to ride herd on us all the time, there is a sense of loss when there's no obvious person to guide or lead.
I'm afraid it does quickly devolve into what's going on now.
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Post by Insane Troll Logic on May 28, 2006 18:15:28 GMT -5
Maybe I should have stepped in sooner, but I was hoping that it'd calm down and get back on track.
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Post by quantumcat on May 29, 2006 15:32:55 GMT -5
Sorry,y'all.
Maybe we need a thread for Unbridled Theological Mayhem.
Then if we left *it* unmoderated,we might break into calm,logical, informative discussion.
Seriously,there seems to be an untapped need here that makes this sort of discussion take off wherever it gets a chance.
But,unlike rhyming Justine threads and their ilk,this seems to get too uncomfortable very quickly.
As brilliant and insightful as we may be,we may not have anyone here able to give such a thread the guidance it would require.
I'd hesitate to give it an area of its own but doing so would allow Py's original notion,the original Bible thread,something like Cordy's World Religions thread,the Sky Bully,etc. to get a fair chance to fulfill their potential.
We've got a lot of bright,compassionate people with minds and hearts full of salty metaphysical goodness.
I'd like to see that philosophical bent exercised without having to rediscover why one doesn't discuss politics or religion every time.
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Post by dEz on May 29, 2006 15:36:25 GMT -5
It needs to stay focused on "what each section of the bible means" to each person. Rather than " I think you are a big -- #$@!%#@! "
Focus opinions and judgements on the bible, not each other.
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Post by quantumcat on May 29, 2006 16:20:02 GMT -5
So true!!!
One problem is that sometimes we humans *can* be big -- #$@!%#@! "es and it affects our output accordingly.
I remember pondering the whole 'scalp treatment' theology bit.
Love your enemy. Do good unto those who despitefully use you. If you do well unto your enemies,(feed them when hungry,giving them drink when thirsty.etc.) then it is as if you dumped hot coals on their heads.
Hmmmm,if A=B then B=A,right?
So if I fill the bad guys' hats full of nice,glowy briquettes,that's the same as if I had them over for a homecooked meal,right?
Alas,no.
You can treat them as you would want yourself or your best friend to be treated and pray for the Lord to issue them a crown of flame already.
That's about it.
Until our hearts and heads get into proper alignment,it's not going to be easy for us to understand things rightly-whether the words be God's or our own.
A more 'literary' discussion might let us have the emotional distance to talk fact (history,language,etc.) before we get into the philosophy or a passage's personal significance.
It's way too easy to generate more heat than light if we leap straight into eisigesis.
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