Angel SciFi UK

[MaxC]

It seems Angel has made UK daytime TV here in the UK on Sci Fi catchup (all day Angel), with of course the appropriate message before the show starts.

Anyway, I just caught the end of one episode where Angel visits Faith in Prison and I realise that those were one of the moments that made Angel great. About redemption, about saving the soul. Sometimes I wonder if they just decide to put in more comedy instead later on.

It was good.

[GreatMuppetyNick]

That was Judgement, the season 2 opener.

I thought it was more or less a mediocre episode, but made so much better by the fact that they tossed Faith in the ep. It was really nice to see Angel re-affirm his conviction to Faith, of all people.

[MaxC]

nickseng said:

I thought it was more or less a mediocre episode

That is true. But it is those moments that made Angel great. I guess Faith lacked faith.

Which toubles me. Angel (himself) has (nearly) always been about redemption. However, in the final episode he killed Lindsey in cold blood (well, Lorne did but you get my drift).

Did Angel kill Lindsey because it was the easiest way? for the bigger picture? What ever happened to the little people?

[GreatMuppetyNick]

The thing was, Lindsey was never about redemption. The only time he tried to redeem himself, he gave that up for a bigger office and better pay.

And not counting all the times he tried to kill Angel. Sure, he says he is on the path of redemption in NFA, but are you sure he won't jump ship as soon as there's a better offer.

I think Angel honestly believes that he won't be around after the smoke clears, so he took steps to clean up his mess (Lindsey).

[MaxC]

nickseng said:

The thing was, Lindsey was never about redemption. The only time he tried to redeem himself, he gave that up for a bigger office and better pay.

The same could be said for Faith. Even Angel at one time, or even Willow. At least Lindsey tried. And whether he's trying anymore is another matter.

Usually the people who needs the most redeeming are the people who don't know they need it and are usually on the path of destruction because they don't think they can be redeemed.

nickseng said:

And not counting all the times he tried to kill Angel. Sure, he says he is on the path of redemption in NFA, but are you sure he won't jump ship as soon as there's a better offer.

Isn't that a risk we all take when we tried to help someone? Hoping that they won't go back to their old ways.

I think we can agreed that Lindsey isn't evil evil. Everytime he tried to do something against Angel was probably a cry for help much like everything that Faith did.

nickseng said:

I think Angel honestly believes that he won't be around after the smoke clears, so he took steps to clean up his mess (Lindsey).

His mess?

I do agree that he chose the most final decision considering that he might not be around to help. I'd believe he would have killed Faith too if he knew he wouldn't survive before her imprisonment.

I'm just not comfortable that he did take away his chance to redeem.

[quantumcat]

I think Lorne was introduced into the plan because he would know what Lindsey was all about and could foresee his future (including the most plausible alternate timelines?)

I don't think Lorne had a second-by-second script of days to come but I do think he was
able to sense the big picture enough to tweak the variables to the best-case scenario and
give folks a head's up on incoming disasters.

I think the part that wrecked his soul was that he could see Lindsey's good points and he
couldn't see any path that Lindsey might take that wouldn't lead to utter misery.

Imagine damning yourself to an eternity of ever more destructive choices....

I think Lorne gave Lindsey a mercy killing.

Merciful for him and all of those he would have injured.

Angel probably didn't trust himself to make the correct decision.

He knew Lorne would.

[tjaman]

Lindsey is a powerstarved opportunist.

End of the day, he'd let CYNTHIA! and the Senior Partners battle it out and take over once the smoke cleared.

And we saw enough of his soul to know that what he did from the big chair would put him right in the direction of absolute corruption.

imo.

[MaxC]

Let me ask you guys this, do you think Lindsey could have been a 'good' guy has he never joined W&H?

Same goes for Lilah.

[tjaman]

I think Lilah was always about the power. W&H had it and she wanted it.

Lindsey is harder to read.

He was never about conspicuous consumption -- that fleet of vehicles that gave Angel a cargasm wouldn't have interested him -- but he was clearly motivated by something.

The more he pulled away, the more they dragged him back in and secured his position.

Lindsey might not have started out evil, but he was definitely seduced.

And his assault in "You're Welcome" was very forward, but it was very much there, so ...

[AlyWay]

my short answer- no, for either.
too much, I'll step on anybody/thing that i have to in my quest to become number 1.

[tjaman]

Well said, Aly

[AlyWay]

I just always got that vibe, even in(and I can't remember the name of the episode),

Lindsay, oh boo-hoo they are going to kill the children, I could still see that one little gear spinning, how can this work out for me?

[AlyWay]

I agree on your Lilah point, she is one power hungry bitca! And it looks good on her!

[tjaman]

She wears it well.

The episode is "Blind Date," I think.

(if this is a double post, I got a cxn error before -- sorry.)

[GreatMuppetyNick]

What they said.