Men/Women/dating/relationships/society

[quantumcat]

tj,I have a sneaking suspicion you could be talking to
another heterosexual guy and focus more on the person you
were conversing with than the hot babe across the room.

Little do you know that that's exactly the kind of thing she
notices as she's checking *you* out.

How does this guy treat friends,servers,all the people he
has no need to impress?

The brighter ,female UMAC types will find respect for
others a real turn on.

Go figure.

Py,you've just explained why gals adore gay men.

In a world where humans divide themselves into
predator and prey,it's a relief to be in a situation
where both parties can be vegetarians.

Valuing people as people. oh my.

Cordy,every William Floyd should be so lucky.

Plus,the girls are fortunate because if your guys were
losers,you'd direct them to the nearest monastery and not
an unsuspecting customer.

(not even if they were the bitca type)

[Dr. Purple Goddess]

Here's the next installment....I'll have my reactions to these things as soon as I have the time...I have a lot to say lol

But, feel free to talk amungst yourselves until then ;D



"What Women REALLY Want"


Dear Jake,

So what DO women want? What are their innermost desires?
Let's face it. If you have no idea what women REALLY want deep
inside, you will never be able to please them completely.
You can buy them lots of gifts and obey all their wishes, but
they are not going to be attracted to you because you're not
giving them what they really want.


Okay. So what DO women want?

Well...

After years of interviewing women and men who are
successful with women, I've come to realize that there is only
ONE thing most women want from a guy: the ability to surrender
to him.

Every woman wants to surrender to the "right" guy.

Don't believe me? Just listen to what the following
girls have said to me in past interviews:

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Natalia, age 24: "I want to surrender to a guy. Not as in a
'wave a white flag and let him walk all over me' kind of way,
but in a...'surrender to him completely because I feel so GOOD
around him' kind of way. My fantasy is to have my guy in
a suit...kissing down my neck while rubbing his hands all
over my body. I want him to whisper sexy things in my ears...
to make me feel I want to surrender to him, to let him take
charge of my body."

Meg, age 21: "I don't like guys that suck up to me. I mean,
I enjoy it when guys buy me drinks and try to flatter me,
but I am not going to be attracted to these men romantically.
I mean come on - I need a man who is stronger than me - not
a little boy. I want a REAL man who can love, nuture, and
protect me. I want a MAN I can ADMIRE, not a boy who admires
me!"

Sarah, age 28: "Men should realize that in today's world,
women do not NEED men; We DESIRE men. We make the same money
as them so we do not need their money. What we need is the
FEELING of being in love. The feeling of surrendering to our
innermost desires. Like, "I love him so much, I am willing to
give up everything - just for him."

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Listen. There is a darker side inside every woman
that wants to be dominated by a real man. Not in a "beat me
up and abuse me" kind of way, but in a "I want a man I can give
myself to" kind of way.

Women DON'T want your gifts and flowers. They DON'T
want your hopelessly chasing after them. What they REALLY want
is a man who can GIVE THEM THE ROMANTIC FEELINGS THEY FANTASIZE
IN THEIR DREAMS and make them feel WEAK in their legs.

They want to think, "I love him so much. I wonder how
he feels about me...", not "Wow. That was a nice gift. This
boy likes me so much he brought me a necklace!"

They want to feel like YOU'RE the "right one" for them,
not because you "love" her and "admire" her, but because SHE
feels SHE loves and admires YOU.

Listen:

There are tons of women out there that are WAITING to
surrender to you. Your dream date is NOT waiting for you to buy
her a flower or "gather the courage" to ask her out. She is
waiting for you to ENTER HER LIFE by making her feel "hopefully
in love" with you. She wants to feel weak in her legs and melt...
into your body.

So...

What if you knew EXCATLY how to interact with women
in a way that would make them feel they want to SURRENDER to you
completely? What if you could build sexual chemistry with women
in a way that would make them think about you every moment?

How would your life be different if you understood the
key to making women feel "weak" on the spot? Instead of feeding
them power by trying to "buy their love" with flowers, gifts, and
compliments, what if you could TAKE THAT POWER AWAY FROM THEM
and make them SURRENDER to YOU? You would be walking around like
a king because you would have complete confidence with women.
After all, Why would you be afraid of women if they are already
MAGNETICALLY ATTRACTED to you?

I am not kidding. This is the "magical ingredient" that
is going to change your success with women overnight. Women
are going to look at you with different eyes from now on
because you're always so darn attractive. Men are going to
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getting ALL the girls.

It has taken me many years to study this secret to
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- Increase your CHEMISTRY with women so they fall
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Your friend,

-Marius P.

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(c)2005 Marius Panzarella, All Rights Reserved.

[tjaman]

I have this unshakable image of a pocket protector and a mother's basement and a "Wonder Woman" blowup doll. I can't think why.

For those of us out here who are attracted to strong women, not because they boss us around and make us do things, but because they make us want to do things, I guess we're S.O.L. As soon as the goal is to find someone who just needs needs needs the whole time because I've cast some sort of thrall over her that is based in nothing but perception ... reality will simply become a much more attractive situation.

Or maybe this guy is talking out his ass.

I'm ... guessing it's the latter.

More later as the discussion gains interest.

* wonders, offhand, what bitterman thinks of all this *

[Aunt Arlene]

tjaman said:

* wonders, offhand, what bitterman thinks of all this *

Probably whatever Cordy tells him to think.

She wouldn't want to have to take his bucket away...

[Charisma69]

auntarlene said:

tjaman said:

* wonders, offhand, what bitterman thinks of all this *

Probably whatever Cordy tells him to think.

She wouldn't want to have to take his bucket away...

... well except that would be boring if it were true. Who wants to hang out with someone who can't think for themself? I sure don't - even if they're just someone I have locked in my closet.

[Aunt Arlene]

charisma69 said:

Who wants to hang out with someone who can't think for themself?

I'm pretty sure most of the White House staff has grown tired of it.

[Charisma69]

auntarlene said:

charisma69 said:

Who wants to hang out with someone who can't think for themself?

I'm pretty sure most of the White House staff has grown tired of it.

That is so true.

[quantumcat]

^5,Auntie!

I wonder if this guy's ever tried changing pronouns
on these things.

i.e. listening to these scenarios as coming from individual people
rather than one sex or the other.

(are his 'statistics' different for gay people,are they cross cultural,etc.?)

I wonder if he's ever heard a man say :

"I'm tired of women chasing me.
I'm tired of them jumping through hoops,cooking this
meal or wearing that perfume to attract me.
I 'm sick to death of women who want me to make
them a whole person.
I'm not an accessory for their playhouse.

Where's the person I can rely on?
Where's the person with the sense to understand my dreams
and the courage to stand by me as we fulfill them?

I've had my fill of being a playboy.
I don't need one night stands.
But I want more than another drain on me at the end
of the day.

I'd like to be with someone who can be my refuge
and solace when I come home and be my partner
in adventure when I want to play.

I want someone who can take the lead or follow mine
with equal panache.

I want a relationship that's based as much on respect as lust.
I want her to need ME-not just any suitable man.

C'mon,where are these women? They gotta be out there somewhere."

Yeah,I think he's occaisionally right about what people want.

But he still operates as if it were some sort of adversarial relationship.

"I'll show you how to *scam* someone into thinking you're worth loving!"

What makes his product any different than the new fangled septic tank
guaranteed to make every media idol grovel at your feet?

Heaven forbid we actually convince people that if they just exchange
glimpses of who they really are,they might find their soul mates without
artifice or manipulation.

[Aunt Arlene]

Anyone else getting this ad?


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I wonder how much they charge for shipping. ;D

[Darkchylde]

auntarlene said:

Anyone else getting this ad?


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I wonder how much they charge for shipping. ;D

...and I'm wondering if they ship to Australia.

I'm getting an add similar to that one though.

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[AlyWay]

"Women DON'T want your gifts and flowers." This is a quote from the above article.

I WANT GIFTS AND FLOWERS!!

[Insane Troll Logic]

The upshot is that it's an exercise in futility to pigeonhole male and female emotional/sexual wants, needs and insecurities in the "sweeping generalisation" way that this guy does in his articles.

People are complicated, and everyone is different.

And no one's a bloody mind reader.

[quantumcat]

If he'd said they don't want just gifts and flowers,I'd agree.

Anymore than kids/pets can get by on treats and toys.

You want recognition,appreciation,a sense of being known-
and a little spoiling.

My husband knows that flowers I'd have to toss out in a week,
candy that ain't sugar free and perfume that would draw every
bug in the county (plus set off my allergies) ain't gonna win my heart.

But back rubs,essential oils,my favorite teas and a good book
or DVD will have me purring like the winning ride at NASCAR.

Once,we had a situation where *I* was unequivocably in the wrong
but he wanted to bring me flowers to show 'he still loved me'.

The only thing that pretended to have chlorophyl he could find was
this poor,pitiful zombie petunia.

After it had ridden in the trunk of the car for a few days(!),it looked
worse.

It was and still is the most beautiful flower I ever laid eyes on.

It's not about expense.

The thought really is what counts.

(O.k., this is the same man who bought a drill press for our anniversary.
When they _think_,it's the thought that counts.... )

[Insane Troll Logic]

The point is that what works for you, doesn't always work for someone else.

Everyone has preferences.

[quantumcat]

ITL, you are completely right.

Why aren't you folks with sense writing articles?

Smart people need money as much as the grifters
and if the gullible give y'all their hard earned dimes,at least they won't
be paying for foolishness.