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Post by grailwolf on Nov 3, 2004 0:23:14 GMT -5
VA = Virginia. It was called for Bush, but that's no surprise. The surprise was that it's so close. In fact, some are saying that it could turn around due to the number of absentee ballots.
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Post by Charisma69 on Nov 3, 2004 0:26:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not getting any homework done right now. I'm way too interested in this election.
And I'm way too tired to think anyway. I've been up since 6 am.
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Post by Aunt Arlene on Nov 3, 2004 0:28:28 GMT -5
I'm in total denial mode right now. I can't believe so many people want Bush reelected.
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Post by Charisma69 on Nov 3, 2004 0:30:50 GMT -5
Me either. Though I started having a bad feeling about this election on Sat. when I took my son Trick-Or-Treating. There were way too many signs out for Bush. I was hoping it was just a Farmington thing, but apparently not.
I think the whole country must have been brainwashed.
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Post by TraditionalScream on Nov 3, 2004 0:33:23 GMT -5
The thing about the states is it's so surprisingly close - I mean from earlier predictions this night. You would have thought Kerry had it in the bag from early polls, but it doesn't seem to be true at all yet.
By the way, a poll of London cabbies (taxi drivers - notorious for being dead opinionated) have Bush the winner. But, having been a tourist in London many times, I can say, they also say a lot of things about women/gays/immigrants that I don't agree with. So if they are right, I wonder what that says? It's certainly not that cabbies are usually any of these things: a) visionary b) insightful c) in touch with their intuition
On the other hand, I have a horrible feeling they might be right.
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Post by Aunt Arlene on Nov 3, 2004 0:33:34 GMT -5
Now we know the answer to the question "How many zombies are too many?"
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Post by TraditionalScream on Nov 3, 2004 0:36:58 GMT -5
Where are you at CC69 and Auntie?
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Post by Aunt Arlene on Nov 3, 2004 0:38:53 GMT -5
I'm in Illinois.
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Post by TraditionalScream on Nov 3, 2004 0:44:41 GMT -5
Oh that went quite soon for Kerry.
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Post by grailwolf on Nov 3, 2004 0:45:07 GMT -5
I really don't get it. How can so many people in this country be for Bush? He failed to do anything substantial in the war on terror (Al Qaeda was the enemy, Iraq had nothing to do with it) he's run up the biggest deficit ever, he's alienated almost the entire world... If, say, Clinton had done any one of these things people would be out for his blood!
I just don't get it.
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Post by Aunt Arlene on Nov 3, 2004 0:51:21 GMT -5
Yes, I am quite proud of Illinois at the moment. g'wolf, I know what you mean. I have never felt this isolated before. I can't quite fathom that so many would willingly vote for him again. Thank heavens for all of you lovely people here and at The Tome. Otherwise I would truly be going bonkers right now.
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Post by TheMasterGeek on Nov 3, 2004 0:53:04 GMT -5
I think there is a lot of doubt about Bush, but for most people, who were undecided, voted for Bush because he was the devil they knew. And there is something about Kerry that they don't trust, and I admit I had my doubts about Kerry. But I felt that there needed be a change.
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Post by TraditionalScream on Nov 3, 2004 0:57:12 GMT -5
Grailwolf - Bush projects himself in that 18/19th century role of the American Adam - the lone guy, the classless hero, cowboy/sherif/outlaw, the man in the face of a new frontier, (black&white screen white macho paranoid detective in the 20th century). It's an American legend, a mythology which is powerful because so many Americans became Americans from rejecting the rest of the world - especially Europe (despite the fact America is based on European ideals), but anyway - I don't understand why this stupid war or the largest poverty gap in the world would make anyone vote for Bush. But they do, cause, you know, it feels more American.
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Post by Charisma69 on Nov 3, 2004 1:22:48 GMT -5
I'm in Missouri.
I know several people who don't agree with Bush but they voted for Bush because of the whole "Devil You Know" thing.
Several people said they didn't want to change Presidents in the middle of a War.
I personally like Aunt Arlene's zombie theory. We definitely know how many zombies is too many.
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Post by tjaman on Nov 3, 2004 1:27:05 GMT -5
Another problem we're not talking about here is the Republicans made -- successfully -- an unfaceable argument: If you question the president, you are being unpatriotic. You aren't being a good American. No one articulated it with sufficient openness for it to be challenged directly, and a lot of people -- way too many -- bought into that lie.
At least two reasons for this: Too many American voters alive today were politically disengaged during the Red Scare in the 1950s. And there are a buttload of current voters who simply were not alive during that period.
Other factors: People forgetting the social program initiatives so many Americans are so reliant upon -- Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, labor laws, etc. -- were Democratic initiatives in the 1920s and 1930s. And they forget that these are laws that are in place and laws that can be changed by an adrenaline-charged Republican government.
When these programs are gutted. When our schools suffer. When poverty increases to an intolerable level. When the elderly are starving homeless in the streets. When unemployment rises to inconceivable levels given job transfers to cheap overseas labor. When the tax burden for this war is dumped upon the shoulders of those least able to shoulder it ...
And, most importantly: When the Democrats identify a leader who can articulate these issues credibly, personally and with agility ...
The Democrats shall rise again.
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