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Post by tjaman on Mar 30, 2006 23:41:38 GMT -5
Did someone say Brilliant Insights? 
Mu-WHA-ha-HA-ha-HA-ha-HA-ha-HA-ha-HA-ha!
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Post by TheMasterGeek on Mar 30, 2006 23:46:33 GMT -5
Thanks, tj. I start them now.
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Post by TheMasterGeek on Mar 30, 2006 23:51:57 GMT -5
First episode..."City of"
This Week We will talk about "City of...". Questions to consider: Did this episode introduce us to the main characters right? What does episode tell us about the feel of the show? What do you think of Doyle?
OMG -- I'm going to be reacting to two "Angel"s, a "Buffy," a "Firefly" and a "Housewife" every week?
* paging Py -- I'm going under ... *
You forgot my favorite current obsession: What the heck are the Powers-That-Be up to?
Let's explore that first.
We meet Angel, and our @ssumption is he's spent a while nursing his broken heart by hanging out in a gay bar (those decorative flags above the bar are pretty much unmistakable).
He slays the vampires, and rescues the damsels, but they are looking especially nummy.
So enter Doyle. Doyle tells him that he's on the road to redemption, but he's hardly there yet. And that the PTB have sent Doyle to Angel because he's got potential as a champion (they do not articulate it that far). And they give him a mission: Tina.
Let's look at this: The PTB seem equipped with varying levels of omniscience. Do they care about Tina (Doyle says they want to help people, but we can explore what they think that means as the series continues)? Or do they know that if they send Angel after Tina that he will run into Cordelia?
Because if that's the case, the whole series is in play. Because if they need for Angel to run into Cordelia so Doyle can hand the visions off to her and she can become a higher being and return, sleep with Angel's son and give birth to Jasmine, then Jasmine could be their ultimate attempt at manifestation on this plane and the PTB could be in complete support of the, y'know, eating people for the "greater good."
Or is time as malleable as Skip says? Where Angel never meets Cordy and the whole Jasmine arc is in the toilet?
Or ...
Is, as I've suggested elsewhere, Skip's manipulation of events the manifest activity of a rogue PTB, bringing about Cordy's ascension so it can hitchhike back with her, possess her, and try to effect by force of will the PTB's apparent "helping people" agenda worldwide?
It's enough to make you go cross-eyed.
But in that Angel's hooking up with Cordelia is a direct result of his hanging out with Tina, we have to @ssume it's in the mix.
In that it is the only tangible good that came out of that contact -- along with destroying a powerful, predatory vampire and putting W&H on notice -- we have to take that into consideration.
Angel tracked down past crimes by Russell Winters, but he was unable to save Tina.
Now, let's explore free will.
If Angel is sent to Tina and Tina is entirely on her own in fleeing Angel, then the PTB seem genuinely concerned about individual lives and this was just an unfortunate series of events  .
If Angel is sent to Tina simply to hook up with Cordy, and Tina's death is merely incidental to the grand scheme of things from the PTBs' perspective, then they aren't significantly better than, say, the gods of Mount Olympus, who intervene or not depending on their whim (this seems reflected in the whole fashion scheme of the Oracles, but I digress), and he's just their errand boy.
Already, however, we have an interesting parallel. Evil, in the form of The Senior Partners, have a direct conduit to W&H. The powers of presumable good, the PTB, as introduced in "City Of," have a conduit -- Doyle -- but no agency. In identifying Angel as their champion to face off against the evil represented by W&H, now have an agent.
So let's for the moment @ssume Doyle is right -- that no one could've foreseen that Tina was going to run away. The PTB were actively focused on helping her, they sent Angel to help her. Angel failed, but did manage to track down a powerful villan and neutralize him.
It's the impression we're left with. But I'm going to maintain a shred of doubt -- because my free will allows me to.
Cordy, of course, is terrific. Bright, bubbly, motivated, schmooze-worthy, an actress through and through -- and with a long learning curve when it comes to vamps. She got stuck in a room with an evil vampire in "City Of," and we find her in exactly the same situation a number of times, including "Offspring" and -- if I'm remembering the situations correctly, "Parting Gifts" and "Somnambulist" and "Disharmony" and "Eternity."
This girl just doesn't seem to want to learn.
Winters was hilarious, however, when she said he was a vampire. "What? No I'm not." Much with the funny.
I liked Doyle. I wish things had happened differently. Maybe a few guest appearances could've kept Glenn Quinn on the straight and narrow. 
His "bedtime story" at the beginning was a good introduction to the series for the folks just tuning in, and explained exactly what people had just seen in that alleyway.
Nice Batman references, btw, with the stakes in the sleeves and Doyle's "batcave" comment.
Angel also seemed very resourceful in his mousework in this eppy. He got quite a bit less tech-savvy as the series progressed -- probably because he relied upon Cordy to take over that aspect of the knowledge, he forgot he'd ever developed any himself. Later on, he seems mystified by "chatty rooms," for example.
It was a good intro, capably managed, it introduced the major players admirably, and he was able to pull a win of some sort or another out of the screwup he made of his first mission.
If, that is, he was ever meant to save Tina in the first place.
G-d, I hate that nagging doubt.
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Post by TheMasterGeek on Mar 30, 2006 23:58:37 GMT -5
Lonely Hearts First, a song:TOUCHED by Vast
Touched, you say that I am too
So much of what you say is true
I'll never find someone quite like you again
I'll never find someone quite like you, like you
The razors and the dying roses
Plead I don't leave you alone
The demi-gods and hungry ghosts
Oh G-d, G-d knows I'm not at home
I'll never find someone quite like you again
I'll never find someone quite like you again
I, I looked into your eyes and saw
A world that does not exist
I looked into your eyes and saw
A world i wish i was in
I'll never find someone quite as touched as you
I'll never love someone quite the way
That I loved youNo one does music quite like Joss, and while the story montage this song was woven through was a little clumsy and very disturbing, this song was a shining and well-chosen expression of longing. It's almost like a white flag from the writers, throwing up their hands and saying "Yknow what? Ignore the further conquests of the Tamlar demon, ignore Angel's haphazardly clueless wandering around and please ignore Kate's creepy home invasion. This -- this song -- says everything we're trying to get across here.
That and it so completely rocked
On to more important matters.
Like the visions. Again with the vague. And again with the ulterior motive. Yes, the visions did lead them to a Tamlar demon, which allowed for a nice tidy little sermon on the evils of casual sex (avoid it -- not because you could contract an STD or an unwanted pregnancy or find yourself alone with a psycho, but because you could become terminal host to a Tamlar demon and we've all be there, am I right, people?)
Never mind this episode, this show has a broad basic theme about how lonely everyone is and all about how no one should ever try to do anything about it because true love and happiness is an illusion and having sex turns you evil.
We do meet Kate. Hello, Kate. Kate vaguely legitimizes Angel's activities (which is odd, given how terribly she's written as a police investigator), and puts a public, acceptable face on the things that bump and grind in the night. Kate gives Angel access to files and records Angel is going to need to have access to in order for the writers to develop this charade of Angel the Private Investigator (oo, arr, anyone got any privates need investigatin'?) when he is no more nor less than a vampire with a soul. He's not especially equipped to help the hopeless. He's not even especially good at it. Where did he get books? He's got no books. No one in that group has books. Where'd the books come from?
Also, the Tamlar demon's been operating since the dawn of time. The Powers That Be finally got someone working on that (if that was indeed their objective) and at least five bodies later, the police and Angel arrived at the same conclusion.
That Angel did it.
WHAT? Wait, no. That wasn't it. Angel didn't do it. But even with Kate as his best alibi -- he spent the entire night talking to her -- she's still certain he's done it. Based on, perhaps, this compelling line of reasoning: "Hey! You were a person in that bar! I'd better follow you!"
No wonder it's taken them so long to catch this thing.
And never mind the bartender going up in flames so no autopsy would show much of anything (btw: so much fun to watch a zombie trying to get his smoove on), what about all of the other victims, the condition they were in? How on earth could they manage to explain that?
They needed to just leave the police out of it, leave out Doyle's larger-than-life grandiose philosophies about what he thinks all of it means, and especially leave out Cordy, who invented a job for herself, plunked down and started in with the gimme gimme gimme. It leads to wonderful stories down the road and yes, characters the series could not survive without. But for right now, it seems artificial and forced and not especially good.
While I'm here, Cordy does positive reinforcement yoga and meditation. How is that even possible in that slovenly dump? You wanna keep the positive energies of success and good fortune flowin', sweetheart, you've got to put the dirty dishes in the sink -- better yet, do them once in awhile. It's not in the "home -- hotel -- hotel -- married" strategy, but how's that workin' out for you?
What I'm saying is, everyone in this outfit needs a day job, because their night job is not gonna pay the rent.
Especially with the crappy missions they're given.
And I'm still looking for any evidence that The Powers That Be are especially good or indeed, interested in saving anyone.
Now, on to some fun:
Cordy the wh.ore and her pimp Doyle. To be fair, those cards were somewhat unspecific about what needs they were there to service (although "Angel Investigations" should've been a tipoff that it wasn't a callgirl operation.
"You look troubled ... oh, that might just be your lazy eye." Very fun line from Cordy.
Cordy's thumbnail analysis of everyone in the bar was fun, if entirely unfollowed up.
And in the future, let's not hand a box of business cards to Angel's intrepid sidekick Seizure Boy. "If that was my gift, I'd return it." D*mn straight.
Ultimately, this was a floppy, monster-of-the-week entry that gave us very little insight into Angel as an investigator (please -- the phone book?), Angel the storyline or Angel the series.
But it did feature one heck of a song. Heh heh. ;D
Good analysis, Tj. I think I'll watch that one today so's I can say more.
I remember liking it more than you seemingly did. I didn't mind it. It's just that for everything they could've done with this storyline, it felt underwritten. I did like the exchanges between Kate and Angel, and between Angel and the Talmar demon.
I just have this nagging sense that from the vision, tracking down the Talmar was nothing more than sheer good luck and I frown on that sort of thing in a show that is written this well.
The Powers led him to Russell Winters, who was a baddie and Angel killing him put the series arc Big Bad of W&H on notice. And they led him to a Talmar (or a Tamlar or whatever it was called) demon and he killed that.
The Powers' agenda -- if these missions were even the right missions -- is hard to discern. Angel stops Winters, an otherwise unstoppable vampire preying on young women with no families and no futures. Meanwhile, a cadre of unscrupulous agents are funneling desperate young women in similar situations into the porn industry and no one's doing anything to help them. Angel stops a serial-killing demon. Meanwhile, thousands of people are out there having unsafe sex and putting more and more people's lives at risk and who's stopping them?
It's just that from any perspective, the Powers seem unnecessarily limited in their scope in terms of what they may or may not be asking Angel to do, and I'm waiting to see something -- beyond the last vision given to Angel in "You're Welcome" and described in "Not Fade Away" -- that suggests they 1) they are Good and b) that they are interested in solving anything of any significance.
Sorry to have seemed so glum. Gah! I'm trying to watch "Lonely Hearts" and there's something screwed up with my video. I need DVDs!  That's terrible, Mr.N. Thank G-d you had access to all of the shows during the 'thon.  Interesting take on the PTB and their motives, Mr.N. Also, I forgot to take into account the fact that this is like one of their first "cases." If they were too good at it, that would've been unbelievable too.
All the way into S3, Gunn is struggling with how on earth would they be able to track down a letter with no return address if they would need to. Resourcewise, it's probably about dead on.
Except I'm still skeptical about the presence of books. Angel eating rats in the alley with Whistler (forgot the episode) had no books.
Nice redirect. Except I'm still skeptical about the presence of books. Angel eating rats in the alley with Whistler (forgot the episode) had no books. Excellent! They can use his late fees to rebuild the place.
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Post by TheMasterGeek on Mar 31, 2006 0:03:16 GMT -5
For episode threads with 9 or more replies I will divide into two posts.
Now, "In the Dark"
Episodes like this intrigue me.
They make me ask questions like "How much did who know and when?"
In the entire course of the show, no one introduced Doyle to Spike as "Doyle."
Fast forward to S5, when Lindsey is presenting himself to Spike as a connection to the PTB, he calls himself "Doyle" and of course Spike has no reference on the name.
Is it even possible that in the third episode of "Angel," Joss actually had S5 storylines in mind?
Or was Spike never catching Doyle's name just a strange coincidence?
These are questions one asks oneself in a review of a mighty fine episode.
I'd not remembered this one being this good. I enjoyed, as did everyone, Spike's rooftop color commentary on Angel and Rachel. And with everything going on in this episode, it's amazing they had the time they did to follow up with her, to talk about her addiction to the abusive relationship.
"Addiction. Everyone's got one," Spike said to Angel as part of a strangely introspective episode, which raised the very good question: "You're a detective?" I loved that exchange. "What's next? Vampire cowboy? Vampire dentist? Vampire ballerina?"
Which was blocked very badly because Angel saying he liked working with his legs too broadly telegraphed his next move in the fight. But beyond that one crappy lapse, most of the fight scenes were pretty intense. Certainly the torture scene was. And how contextually Angel was played on his way into that trap -- the "slip of the tongue" by one of Doyle's contacts, and then from there.
I know Spike is the only one who knows where they've got Angel. But that needed to be said out loud once. There were too many good opportunities for someone to stake Spike and no one did.
I hate that I got all the way to this paragraph before mentioning Oz, but thus has it shaken out. I loved Oz in this eppy. I think if they'd sent the ring with just about anyone else, Cordy and [whoever else] would have more to say to each other. But that was a good awkward point of illustration saying "Hey -- living some independent lives here on independent shows."
That and Oz got to burst in and save the day. And then Angel, still in daylight, still recovering from soul-searing torture, saves the children from Marcus.
Spike was very well written in this episode. His writing was much better than his makeup, which reminded me of the Insane Clown Posse. But y'know what? d**n decent performance all the same. His itchiness with Marcus and his break-in at Angel's were some very cool scenes.
No bothersome visions to overanalyze -- Rachel was a walk-in -- and Doyle's suggestion that they're not always going to be paid for the help they provide is an interesting point. But it's cool that they've tracked down enough of a small business loan for Cordy to have a computer on her desk and a printer. Go Cordy -- get that office set up with yo' bad self.
I wish Angel hadn't smashed the ring. There's situations where it would've come in handy. But then, when your main character is entirely invulnerable, that can get boring to write and really boring to watch. All the same, which his rationalization was reasonably good storywise, I'm afraid the fact remains that Angel had a powerful weapon in his arsenal and he destroyed it.
But then, that went in the direction of who he was, who he was going to be. He wasn't going to be Superman. He was going to earn his redemption the hard way. And part of that "forgiveness" he said he wanted, part of that redemption, was living the guilt and pain and experiencing the limitations of vampire existence as well as the benefits. Like I said -- nice bit of introspection.
All in all, for all of my kvetching, I truly enjoyed this episode. Lots going on, good writing, nice ties to Sunnydale and good to see Spike and Oz on the soundstage.
Well done, everyone.
I haven't seen this episode in a while, but I remember something that bugged me. They show up for the exchange and throw the ring as a diversion. They escape and we see Spike searching for the ring and figuring out that Marcus stole it. How exactly did the gang know that Masrcus had the ring and that he was heading for the pier? I might be forgetting an important bit, but I thought they left too fast to know these things.
They didn't. Angel, however, did. Angel had just spent a day or so being tortured by this guy, and had learned quite more about him than had been learned about Angel.
I think they knew the ring wasn't around when they left -- their main thing was to keep Spike from getting it -- and in that they didn't have it, Angel knew what was going to be done with it if Marcus got it, and exactly where he'd go.
I'll rewatch that p@ssage, but I'm sure it holds together.
Ah... Here's where the high value analysis has gone.
Some of it, some of it. I still want to catch up with "Loyalty" at the Tome and I'm impossibly behind over here. But it will happen. It just ... will ...
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Post by TheMasterGeek on Mar 31, 2006 0:07:33 GMT -5
"In the Dark" Pt. 2
Still waiting for the Insightful-y goodness, tj!
Some of it, some of it. I still want to catch up with "Loyalty" at the Tome and I'm impossibly behind over here. But it will happen. It just ... will ...
I How exactly did the gang know that Masrcus had the ring and that he was heading for the pier? I might be forgetting an important bit, but I thought they left too fast to know these things. Um, my guess is that Marcus had already left before they did...? But I think how they knew where to go was--Marcus had already let out infront of Angel that he had a "thing" for little children, I guess the pier is a big hangout for the little ones?
My guess is it was the nearest one. Vampires are predators of opportunity. It's even possible they could smell children from where they were. Marcus wasn't going to worry so much about being arrested, and Angel needed to stop him.
I thought this was a relatively a pretty good episode. Better than the previous one overall. As Tjaman pointed out it was weird that Spike was never formally introduced to Doyle. The overall storyline was pretty well done. Angel has to make the choice whether to take the easy way for redemption by using the Gem of Amara and be able to fight his deeds in the daylight. Or do it the way his natural state has put it. Only in the shadows. I think Angel made the right decision not to keep the Gem for his own self. His purpose is to achieve his redemption keeping his demon side the way it is and win his redemption. With the Gem in his possession in a sense he would eliminate part of his demon side. And overcoming his demon side is part of his redemption.
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Post by TheMasterGeek on Mar 31, 2006 0:10:47 GMT -5
"I Fall to Pieces"
Beyond the fact that this is perhaps my second least favorite episode, I don't honestly know what to say. The girl is genuine, it was a good save, she was a walk-in so no help from the Powers, and yet the doctor was working some mojo so it was a nice mystical piece.
I think I reacted badly to Doyle hitting on Melissa, since he's full-on for Cordelia in the next episode, and I'm not entirely certain he isn't also on some level crushing on Angel, so make up your mind, dude.
Cordy's getting the office fixed up a little, so that's pleasant.
The thing I really cannot get over about hating this episode is that d**n' eye.
Sure he's mystical. Sure he may have learned the power of levitation -- [doubtfully] I guess [/doubtfully].I mean, Willow could levitate stuff almost right away, so I guess it's sort of possible.
But I really don't like it. He's a surgeon. Even if he'd trained in the discipline of dis@ssembling himself, that alone feels like something he'd never have the courage to do. Surgeons treat their hands like Stradivari. He'd always have some nagging suspicion that the hand wouldn't reattach. I don't see him pursuing this discipline to begin with.
And to use this power to stalk this woman and invade her home. I mean, once you subsume ego to the extent you must in order to get very far with Eastern mysticism, you really don't become a stalker.
So there's this deep mind-body-spirit power that feels grafted onto a spiritual lout, and let's be honest with ourselves, obsession is one thing, but I'm pretty sure he'd be able to find someone who would love him back. The "one thing you can't have" angle is solid enough as a cliche, as is the arrogant "but of course you want me, my sensibilities are offended by the mere possibility that you do not" but it's deeply childish.
So this is a difficult character to get my head around and he feels like a villian someone made up for a television program. And frankly, once you get past the initial horror of realizing there's a spare part in bed with you, it's easy enough to put a knife through it, or to catch it in a net.
Very little love for this episode.
Oh, by the way -- Angel shouldn't be able to be poisoned. He just shouldn't. I didn't like it in Buffy, and I don't like it here. He has no functioning circulatory system, and standard neurotoxins shouldn't do anything to him since he's already a walking corpse, and I disapprove of his having any reaction at all to the injection.
Also, a doctor developed something, for working with animals, that will "slow your heart until it stops altogether"? Puppy!
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Post by TheMasterGeek on Mar 31, 2006 0:15:49 GMT -5
"Rm w/ A Vu"
Who is Cordelia Chase?
Is she the lies she tells herself? Is she the attitude she projects? After all, she was all about things leaking. She gave an astonishing read for garbage bags. Cordelia is a woman who is professional enough to prepare for an audition, but not "professional" enough to sleep with the director like the dominiatrix who got the job.
Is she her crappy apartment in which she does personal affirmations? We saw a rundown of terrible places to live -- starting with her own -- like something out of the ersatz nanny applications Robin Williams voiced in "Mrs. Doubtfire."
And I'm intrigued by the prescene of peanut butter in Angel's bed. That's just wrong.
Oh, btw -- NAKED ANGEL! David's first nude scene on the series -- his lats were so proud.
Doyle knows someone. Griff? Well, not Griff, maybe, but what a charismatic one-shot character.
At least his house hookup was slightly more reliable -- well, only slightly, given the poltergeistilicious apartment he found for her.
I'm flying right by the Cordy in Angel's dungeon because while that was very much Cordy, she was mostly there for Odd Couple farce. "Don't mind me, I'm just going to change everything around and take up the flooring."
But who is Cordelia Chase?
She isn't even the person who first moves into the apartment -- status-seeking and into the material, one step further along from the Cordettes. In just a few short years she is making huge sacrifices to save the world, although she needs a trip through the looking gl@ss to confirm that.
No. Who she is, sadly, is the person the morning after she moves in with a psychotic ghost.
She hides things from her friends. Her first instinct whenever there is trouble is to circle the wagons, turn inward and not trouble anyone else with what's going on with her in her life.
This is a charitable instinct. No one wants to be a downer. But she gives so much, and doesn't give anyone else an opportunity to be there for her. The apartment has attacked her but she won't let Angel and Doyle know what's going on until the place starts getting completely out of hand and they drag her from it.
This is a character flaw that will destroy her. It's part of why Cordelia Chase towers as a tragic figure in this series. Her fatal flaw.
When she gets impregnated with demon seed, she doesn't go into work, and Angel actually has to go to her house to find out what's going on with her. She will endure m@ssive brain trauma before the Powers actually step in and infuse her with demon essence.
When she can't deny the help she needs, after she returns from her higher dimension with amnesia, she withdraws, runs and hides, allying herself with perhaps the one figure on this bombed-out hellscape more screwed up than she is.
And in this fugue, she gets completely taken over by something horrifying. When she begins to suffer some of the consequences of this possession, rather than tell anyone, she just lets it happen.
And in her final scenes, she won't just come out and say what's going on, to let the group mourn, to say goodbye properly. Instead, she lets them believe she will be right behind them and that they've got a lovely evening of catching up and reminscing ahead of them.
Cordelia Chase doesn't want to burden anyone with her troubles.
It's very dramatic, and it makes for good storytelling, but ultimately, it kills her. And one wishes that she might have learned to trust people a little bit more.
Loved the introduction to Dennis, of course, and his backstory -- so very sad.
Also, loved a plot point raised by Kate -- if Angel's an investigator, he needs to get himself some bona fides.
And someday soon, Doyle, we're all going to need to hear it.
Sooner rather than later, boychik.
For now, however, "Pope Angel" indeed. Fun fight scene and nice intertwining of storylines. And Cordy gave an outstanding turn as the "biggest bitca in Sunnydale." Her victory was delicious.
For now, for what we knew, for the fifth episode of Season 1, great, great installment.
And just a few dark rumblings of what lies ahead.
Very Brilliant Insights. ;D
I miss Cordy now.
I will start on Geek Club Entries Season Two tommorrow morning, starting with "Blood Money".
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Post by tjaman on Apr 1, 2006 12:44:58 GMT -5
S2x12 - BLOOD MONEYbitterman wrote:
Sadly, I don't have the epi on my drive or on tape. I intend to reenact it with fingerpuppets and work from there. tjaman wrote:
* desperately unhappy not to be able to see that ^^^^^ * bitterman wrote:
I can't decide whether to go for realism or interpretive. I'm thinking kabuki theater.
The really difficult part is the black-tie sequence, I only have 21 puppets. Charisma69 wrote:
Now that's one puppet show I must see
Now back to the real show... angelusfan wrote: sadly i think the puppet show would be better than the real show Charisma69 wrote:
I don't know, B'man would have to be an awfully good puppet master to beat an episode of Angel.
The puppet show would be highly entertaining though. You should do a web cam broadcast or something so we can all see angelusfan wrote: im sorry i just think blood money is one of the poorest eps ever done there was only one good sense in the show and that was: Angel: You screw with me, and you screw with me... and you screw with me. And now, I get to screw with you. *laughs* It's gunna be great! Lilah: Angel I-- Angel: Oh, no, the begging - that comes later. i feel that it was a very poor way to introduce anne Charisma69 wrote:
Boone: When Angel comes for you, he's gonna find me instead.
Lindsey: I like it. I like it and I'll tell you why. Because of the finding you instead part.
The episode starts with Gunn and Wesley fighting for world domination. Gunn totally creams Wesley, or he was until Cordy decides to kick them out of the apartment so she can sleep.
It was funny how Gunn and Wes are talking about catching people (I forget the exact wording) and Cordy falls on the floor during her vision because Psycho-Wan-Kenobi (we can't use the name Angel) wasn't there to catch her.
Then Angel seemingly runs into Anne very innocently but it turns out he is stalking her - sort of.
Wes and Gunn take to the sewers to fight the two-headed demon that shoots flames out of a certain gas-p@ssing orifice. Nice way to save money on special effects. Just have Wes and Gunn do battle off screen and then describe the battle to Cordy.
I love the part when Angel threatens Lilah in her car. He was definitely channeling his inner Angelus in that scene.
Lilah: Angel, please...
Angel: No, no, no.
Angel leans in over the back of the seat, cheek-to-cheek
Angel: The begging comes later.
Now was that a great scene or what?
Then there was Angel and Lindsey at the shelter with Anne. I just loved Lindsey trying to be so sincere with Anne. Glad to know she saw right through him. She definitely has come a long way since the last time we saw her.
Angel: What did Lindsey say about me?
Anne: That you were a bad man.
Angel: A bad man?
Anne: Well, a psychotic vampire who cut off his hand, har@ssed his firm, and was borderline schizophrenic. I was giving you the short version.
Only borderline schizophrenic. I'm surprised Lindsey didn't say Angel was full on schizophrenic.
Then we have the charity ball. Angel and Boone get in a fight, everyone but the Wolfram and Hart lawyers thinks its just part of the act. Turns out it is, only not the way everyone was thinking.
Turns out Angel and Boone were in cahoots the whole time. Of course I wonder about the whole time, I mean why did Boone go ask Merl about Angel if he was already in on it with him? I can see the going to Wolfram and Hart thing, after all he needed them to believe the story. The whole Merl thing has me confused though.
Maybe Boone really just wanted to fight Angel, but then he found him after their fight at the shelter and Angel convinced him to be on his side. After all they really did fight after Boone had the money so I guess there really was some rivalry going on.
So did Angel kill Boone or just beat him up really badly? Do you think we'll ever know the answer?
Mmmmmm, milk.
I don't get it. How am I not working?
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Post by tjaman on Apr 1, 2006 12:51:49 GMT -5
tjaman wrote:
WHOO HOO! Swing it, Wyndham-Price!
I'd completely spaced that goofy little show they showed at the end of the benefit, of Cordy and Wes.
Personally, I believe the coatrack.
Anne has grown up a lot. The development of her character from omg VampFan76 to running a shelter for runaway teens is such an off-camera followable arc.
It all seems wildly ... what's the word ... deus ex machina. Course, Angel did have an informant, Boone did approach L&L at the behest of Angel, so ... yeah, thinkin' about it, Angel played them right well.
It was a good scheme. 'Course, if W&H needs $2 million, they just print it. How many souls do they own in this town who are directly beholden to them. So this seems out of their m.o.
Lilah v. Lindsey -- Lilah the good corporate brownnoser, Lindsey the badboy. Angel in Lilah's car, Lindsey missing a hand. "Boo hoo. Let me wipe away my tears with my plastic hand." Fun line. Interesting dynamic. W&H, interestingly enough, is being insufficiently evil, here. Doc Sparrow could give Lindsey a freewill-ectomy. They could just kill him. He's demonstrated that he's a serious loose cannon. It interests me that they're letting that go. They must really be worried about those files he stole. 120 pt. headlines, "W&H is evil!" is so dog-bites-man. Who doesn't @ssume a law firm is corrupt? Must be way more than their public image.
And the Between Names agency. Making their way on their own. Fighting demons. Doing good. And they can't come up with a name. Angel. "The universal symbol for what we don't have."
It interests me that they can't swallow their pride enough to name themselves. "I got a gun, and my name is Gunn." Why can't they call themselves the Goode Agency. "Goode Agency, Mr. Goode isn't here. We hope you're helpless," something like that.
What did Merl try to tell us his real name is? "Ed Silverman"? From Recida, perhaps. "I'm from France." lol.
Someone's paying attention to who Virginia Bryce is dating. That must be what broke them up -- that tape.
Way to play it cool, guys. Way to cover every contingency. They've got security everywhere, vamp detectors, they can't have Operation Unplug the Machines in place? Oy.
It was pretty instructive, though. I think it was easier for Anne to steal from thieves. And it wasn't even stealing. The money was meant for the charity, so the charity got the money. Maybe Anne can send W&H a box of Cordy's clothes.
And now, a stream of consciousness:
Girlfriend? "God no." Oops. "Cuts me across the bust." Sting! "Juarez, in the '20s." While he was saving that flapper's puppy, perhaps. 'Course, that was a lie. "Don't you people know anything about honor?" L&L. Hmmm. "I've just gotta know." And now you do. Also, Boone looked kinda like The Joker. Anne: "So, I'll just clean this up myself, then?" No more pingpong for the runaways. Can't believe Lindsey didn't offer to clean it up for her, pay for new stuff, at least. No appearance by Phantom Dennis, huh? Guy's gotta develop some screen presence.
Fun, fun eppy. bitterman wrote:
*stops smooching the lilah finger-puppet for a moment*
d**n tj, that's a fine analysis/review for an ep that isn't even being broadcast. Nice job. Charisma69 wrote:
I thought I'd add a little bit from the "Angel Casefiles: Volume One" book on the episode. Enjoy.
Quote:
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OUR HEROES
Julia Lee (Anne) tells about the practical joke she played on David Boreanaz, the first day of shooting:
"We were getting ready to shoot the teaser where I am holding the box and I run into David on the sidewalk. One of the producers came up to me and said 'I have an idea, no, no, never mind.' And I said, 'Idea for what?' and he said, 'No, you're too peaches and cream.' 'Peaches and cream for what? What are you talking about?' 'Do you like jokes?' 'Yes, why?' 'Well, because I just have this idea, you know how you're going to do this scene and David is going to bump into you, maybe after we rehearse and cameras are rolling and we're on our first take, maybe just don't say those lines.' 'Okay, what am I going to say?' 'Oh, I don't know, maybe you could make it up and just be something completely different from your character. Something he won't expect at all.'
So they call action and nobody knows anything about this and I walk down the street and David bumps into me and I-it's completely out of character for Anne I think to swear, so she does, I got very upset with him and started screaming and yelling at him. And at first I think he thought he hurt me, that he injured me somehow and he backed up and sort of put his hands up in the air in a very defensive posture and his eyes were just big as saucers and he's staring at me. And then he starts getting the look in his eyes like 'Oh my God, she's completely insane!'
And I just kept yelling and yelling and the extras are whispering and they're like, 'The actor and actress are yelling at each other and we don't know what's going on! Drama! Drama! Temperamental actors on the set!' And then finally I look at David and say, 'David, David, I'm kidding it's a joke, David are you okay?' And I give him a hug and he did not know what was going on and I was really concerned that he was a) going to be upset with me forever or b) going to plot something out to get me back. Which I watched out for the whole rest of the day. Every day we were shooting, which he didn't. I'm still surprised that he didn't try to get me back. He just thought it was so funny."bitterman wrote:
"I don't know, B'man would have to be an awfully good puppet master to beat an episode of Angel."
Yo, I got mad[/i] skeelz. [/color] Charisma69 wrote:
Speaking of mad skeelz that was one fine brilliant analysis Tj
And B'man lets see some of those mad skeelz, yo angelusfan wrote: yes please b'man lets see some some of thoses mad puppet skeelz bitterman wrote:
I like that Chanterelle/Lily/Anne was completely changed by her experience in Anne, and that she's willing to admit it to herself and to Angel. She's seen hell, or a reasonable fascimile of it, and she know's what has to be done. A few years back, sure she'd be falling all over him. Now she's not impressed. The reference to Buffy, however oblique, is nice. And as we saw it plays a part some 3 years later. It's good to have depth in a show, to have that dimension that makes it more than a cartoon. That's what makes me sad about people bashing Mercedes.
I also appreciate Anne's response to Angel's 'five percent' argument- the shelter is truly on the fringes, that 5% could keep them going for 2 years, is he crazy? So Angel is again confronted with the 'it's not the winning, it's the fighting' concept (which will take a few more epis to have the desired effect, granted). In this Anne is the counterpoint to Boone, who also believes in nothing but the fight. Of course, his fight is of an entirely different nature, as we see when the title for the ep is literally explained when Angel delivers the monies. I always wondered, where did all that caysh go, anyway? And there's no way $2 mil fits in a briefcase, sorry. Maybe if it were a bank draft, but not in cash and jewels.
Are you two asking to see the 21st puppet or something? Pervs.tjaman wrote:
Those were some admirable skeelz, b'guy.
I'm sad that angelusfan didn't like this episode. Angie is very, very dark.
And I would like to see the fingerpuppet episodes of Angel. After c'golfa gets everything set up to make Flash animations and kills a few frogs, maybe he can animate a few finger puppet scenes.
[downright evil] Your 21st fingerpuppet wasn't Lilah, by any chance? [/downright evil] }
Evil evil evil.
Oh, and Cordy: That was a wonderful joke. I'd love to try that in a rehearsal sometime.
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Post by tjaman on Apr 1, 2006 12:52:39 GMT -5
bitterman wrote:
Not sayin, but lindsey was definitely a pinkie finger.
Anyway, don't do yoga, so that's sorta out of the question, referring to an earlier post.tjaman wrote:
^^^ I think I would still get points for "evil." Your inability to do yoga is no excuse for letting a good perverse image slip by unremarked.
Cordy: It was also a good analysis on the whole Boone-tracking-Angel thing. I missed that because I was so taken with the parallels between Boone's confrontation with Merl and L&L's confrontation with Merl. Good eye. I think he was legitimately tracking him and Angel brought Boone into the caper. That would explain the fight at the end.
I think Boone and Angel fought it out to the death in the hotel lobby. It's an honor thing, and for a 1-eppy quick hitter, Boone was a pretty intriguing character. Much moreso than someone like Holtz, who I always found rather boring (how can anyone with that potbelly be dangerous?).
Anyway, a good transition ep, lots of fisticuffs, lots of Lilah. 4 stakes out of 5 as the reviewers say.PyleansDontLeaveMe wrote:
I really like this episode, depsite not liking Angel in it at all, which is always a wierd feeling.
There are very few insults that cannot be forgiven through the gift of 2.5 million dollars. I promise.
I'm absolutley DYING for someone to do a comparison/Contrast paper on the Faith/Anne arc's as two disperate trilogies reflecting the greater themes of Angel (both Series and Character)
Come on...
Who's up for it... tjaman wrote:
You'll probably have to do it, Py. I have no idea what you're asking. Also, you've got the mind for it.
It'll have to wait, however, in that you have an urgent @ssignment pending in the Band Names thread. DisgruntledGremlin wrote:
I love this episode- it was so much fun to watch Angel get under Lilah's skin, and Angel and Merle make a hilarious duo. The climax was excellent, and the 'blood money' thing goin' on was a very interesting moral dilemna (and something that really should have been explored in season 5 better). However, Gunn and Wesley stole the show as the comedic duo.
"I thought she said it BREATHED fire!?" was great fun bitterman wrote:
I love Chucky getting some 40s of the 211 for the Crew to celebrate their success, and Cordy's face when she takes a slug of it. Priceless.
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Post by tjaman on Apr 1, 2006 13:01:47 GMT -5
S2x11 - REDEFINITIONtjaman wrote:
Cool eppy -- just finished watching it a little bit ago. I liked Darla and Godzilla or Darcilla or whatever going up in flames.
Darla: "That's not Angel. It's not Angelus either. Who was that?"
Why, it was Angie.
And the Powers That Be could give anyone the Visions. If a street thug can fight their battles for them virtually single-handedly (Cordy was "rescuing" someone and Wes was pretty busy being bitten), what do they need Angie for?
Unless they were just pointing out to We're-Between-Names-Investigations that they can handle a little more self-reliance ...
I'll comment on the whole ...
Lilah: You're going down.
Lindsey: If that's what it takes.
... after "Rescue Me."
See youse in an hour. I look forward to everyone's Brilliant Insights™. Charisma69 wrote:
We sure are running the whole brilliant insights thing into the ground aren't we Just can't help it.
Earth to retards - you have an obsession, you pretty much squeeze it into your schedule no matter what.
I just loved watching Wes, Cordy, and Gunn getting drunk and arguing over whose fault it was that they were fired. Then there was the singing of We Are The Champions, which was very off key but so amusing
Looks like Wesley is starting to grow up some. Did you see how he took charge in the alley? He was very forceful with Gunn when he mentioned Angie
Do you think Wesley may become a good leader some day? It's great that the gang is going to keep fighting the good fight, even without Angie's help. Well there's that and they (or at least Wesley) don't have any other marketable skills.
I totally loved it when Lindsey was all excited because he thought Darla saved his life, then he found out there was another live one. Then Darla telling him that she saved him because she was in love with him - then she laughs in his face. Priceless Didn't you just love it when Lilah tried to frame Lindsey to save her own a**?
I see such pretty fire...And pain...so much suffering...The flames are lovely...they dance, and the fire licks like a cat...and the screams, oh, it's like star music...
Now for the moral; Next time the crazy psychic is rambling on about fire and pain, maybe you should take notice. You never know when they might be referring to you.bitterman wrote:
"...sorry for any stolen thunder, b'guy"
Meh. My topic title may have been a keyboard-ful, but that little guy had STAYING POWER (or stamina, as faith would say). A throw-away post that should have died the same day, still clutching to the 1st page 5 weeks later? I'd say that's rather impressive. And I'm not even shamelessly bumping it like, say, oh i dunno, my 'band names' thread?
I would argue my wordy monstrosity has done it's part, much moreso than a thread with 'Book Club' in the title has, so far. Although to be fair, I'd guess a good 60% of the forum populace goes all Dammit Beavis! when they see 'book'. Reading ain't so fundamental anymore.
My next brilliant insight will be my first brilliant insight. But I like seeing the crew throwing back 40s of Steel Reserve (my man chuckie's choice, obviously) after being dumped by not-quite-Angelus. Angelusfan wrote: "I mean, for God's sake, can't a woman wreak a little havoc without there being a man involved?" by darla truer words have never been spoken why is it that men think women need their help, god we can do things on our own TraditionalScream wrote: While I agree with the sentiment, forgive my next observation/criminal cliche: The lady doth protest too much. Darla was all about Angel in that episode. Even when trying to band together their demon army and Dru senses Angel, Darla is overcome and calls out his name. Aww, she still wanted to have died as she should have done, but in Angel's arms. Instead she's stuck with her boy's crazy love child Dru muttering about fire. I mean Hell, she may as well cause havoc in his town now, if even just to get back at him. tjaman wrote:
I think it was Py who first referred to this as a sort of "book club," but I'd have to check the "Another: What Are You Doing Wednesday Night Instead of Watching 'Angel' or Nipping Into The Kitchen to Pick Crumbs Out of Those Sort of ... Straw Mat Things You Put The Kettle on" thread. Aw, b'guy, you know I love ya.
Like Darla is in love with Lindsey.
God, women love that, don't they -- telling a guy they love him and then laughing in his face.
Darla: Shut up, Lilah.
... um, no, not that that's happened to me a lot, of course ...
* broods *
The dynamic between Lilah and Lindsey was excellent. The double-dealing and betrayal, trying to get him to divulge the hidden files thing.
Lindsey: But Lilah, I would never steal files from my employer.
Priceless. I bet Lilah wins, though. She's sneaky.
As for Wes being a good leader, I mean, come on. The guy's barely verbal away from Angel. You saw him with Virginia. BTW, I loved the Blame Game myself. But how much time had to p@ss between "We Are The Champions" and the Inevitable Discussion™?
Bet Lorne couldn't even read them. Like Beta-Zeds and Ferengis.
* quick check *
* yep, Geek Crown™ still firmly in place *
And Darla's reaction to Angel being in the crowd. Very human. Dru's running commentary throughout was cool too. I wonder if they're gonna turn Lindsey into a cow?
Dru: He's got cow eyes. Moo.
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Post by tjaman on Apr 1, 2006 13:04:48 GMT -5
angelusfan wrote: i think that when darla tells lindesy that she loves him then laugh at him is more proof that she dont need a man right now in her life TraditionalScream wrote: Well, disagree about Darla here. Not that she couldn't be independent, we've seen her alone for various different centuries and parts of centuries, but not this time. This time she wanted Angel no doubt in my mind. She loved him and he was, by her own words, the only one who ever cared about her so deeply. Lindsay was just a patsy, but as Spike said about Riley: it's not like she doesn't LIKE you. Darla liked him just fine. Disgruntled Gremlin wrote:
This is one of my all time favourite episodes, although it wasn't as good as Reunion or The Trial in my mind, it was still mind-blowing. Angel was awesome as the dark, brooding punisher, while Cordelia's quest to find out what it's all about was touching.
Julie Benz stole the show (once again), though, giving Darla even more dimensions than before. Lindsey and Lilah's snarky relationship was awesome, too. tjaman wrote:
As for Darla, yeah, she's independent, but check out her reaction to Angel just being there. She nearly collapsed in the middle of her big Enzyte moment with all those vamps and demons. There's a connection there, count on it.
As Wes said, the three of them have a very complicated relationship. angelusfan wrote: amen to that one tj Diligent123 wrote: I wonder if anyone will ever do the song we are the champions in such a horrible way? Anyone? TraditionalScream wrote: You really think Lindsay is a complex component of the Darla/Angel relationship? Nah, my opinion is he was a lonely man who developed feelings for a woman/exotic creature/victim of sorts in his care, and Darla could always play people - a tendency probably born of her 16th century heritage and necessity for survival for someone like her. I think she used him, but liked him. But that he loved her. Of course, that obsession seemed to be transferred onto Angel later. I mean, do you think it will be? Anyway, I think Angel/Darla was one of the most interesting and (weirdly) human relationships they've had on the show. Redefinition is a good example of how things ain't just black and white, even if she was evil again. tjaman wrote:
I meant the relationship between Angel, Darla and Dru. Lindsey doesn't figure into it anywhere.
Unless I'm misunderstanding something. That happens a lot to me in these sorts of discussions. angelusfan wrote: I've paid my dues
Time after time
I've done my sentence
But committed no crime
And bad mistakes
I've made a few
I've had my share of sand kicked in my face
But I've come through
We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'cause we are the champions -
of the world
I've taken my bows
And my curtain calls
You brought me fame and fortune
and everything that goes with it -
I thank you all
But it's been no bed of roses
No pleasure cruise
I consider it a challenge before the whole human race
and I ain't gonna lose
We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'cause we are the champions -
of the world
We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'cause we are the champions TraditionalScream wrote: That's much better then TJ! But I still don't find that one complicated in relationship terms, perhaps you could explain? I think of Darla as never having wanted Dru to be sired, remember Darla's reaction to Angelus saying he had great plans for this one? She was horrified and protested Dru was a 'lunatic' - but I think she was just irritated to have someone disrupt their happy twosome. But her feelings towards Dru are aired in this episode: she's happy to have some girly fun shopping and eating shopgirls, but doesn't exactly value Dru's conversation - hence the whole fire fiasco. I think out of all his sirelings (is that the word?) Dru was the only one Angelus felt any ongoing lust and responsibility for. That might have irked Darla, but still, Dru was no real challenge to her position in Angel's heart. But, as I said in another thread, together they meant a helluva lot to Angel. In all sorts of ways, including being in themselves an emphasis on his own failures. tjaman wrote:
Intriguing. Someone else (C69?) was saying Darla pointed her out to him to sire. "That one's untouched. She has the Sight." Something like that. TraditionalScream wrote: That was me actually. tjaman wrote:
Sorry. Dodgy memory, what?
Angel said he's taking the fight to W&H. Four season story arc, anyone?
TS: The complexity speaks to Angel's obsession with Darla, Darla's obsession with Angel and where Dru fits in. A quick scan of an advance script (SPOILER ALERT explores Spike's early obsession with Dru and Angelus' refusal to allow that relationship to be exclusive. END SPOILER ALERT) Also, Darla sired Angelus, who sired Dru, who sired Spike.
Dru went on to sire a reconstituted Darla, so she's her own grandma, or something. How much more complicated would it need to be?
But there was a reason Angel couldn't stake Darla, and there's a reason Darla and Dru couldn't really kill Angel on that rooftop.
Back on "Buffy," Spike and Dru double-teamed Angel and -- although they thought they needed to to rebuild Dru -- make her stronger, faster, we have the technology -- they held back from actually killing him.
Vampires don't operate on moral imperatives, and it's not like Hannibal Lecter where they would consider it to be "rude." So what was it? Sentiment? Fondness? Hope for redemption? Or possibly corruption?
Meh. Call it obsession. I back my man Wesley in his pronouncement of their relationship as "complicated."
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Post by tjaman on Apr 1, 2006 13:12:12 GMT -5
S2x13 - HAPPY ANNIVERSARYtjaman wrote:
This week's entry is "Happy Anniversary," wherein a geek finds love, loses love and nearly ends the world. And we'll see y'all back here Wednesday around 10/9c-ish to chat it up. Enjoy!bitterman wrote:
*sigh*
Yet another attack on geeks. Curse you, Bill Gates!
Although I like that Gene was genuinely contrite when he realized he was going to destroy this reality. Nice level of self-involvment on his part, I think.
Angel and The Host (not yet known to us as lorne yet) work well together, DB plays a good 'straight' man (no comments from the fic-ers, please). Andy has great timing delivering the smart-@ss, over-the-top lines: "Man, you just keep getting darker and darker. And the funny thing, your aura? Beige.".
Cordy, Wes, and Gunn having a party. Is this the turn, will things start getting better now? Not in the Jossverse, baby. Bullets, Darla, improbable births, all sorts of bad things are going to happen soon. But they have to grab what happiness they can, smelly offices, no lights and everything. angelusfan wrote: where to start, well i did love this ep i have a bunch of line i'd like to use but where to start the frist one: Val-"And if you say it, I'll put your face in liquid nitrogen." can any one say lilah jr. ouch tjaman wrote:
Gunn: "I'm so glad I hooked up with the two of you. It's entertaining.
Development: ANGEL SAVED THE WORLD!
I'd needed to look that up 'cause I forgot. Glad I saw it.
For physics demons, they're pretty dumb. Inside that bubble, they've put an end to all humanity, yes, but all of their activity as well.
And time within the bubble isn't supposed to move at all, right? So what happens with the spinning of the Earth and its orbit around the sun? It shouldn't take any time at all for that bubble to be crashing through the ceiling and hurtling through space as the entire planet glides silently away.
But the field stabilizers are moving too ...
What it should look like is it should trace a time bubble arc consistent with the point defined at the event horizon.
Or else ...
If it only works at the point of the stabilizers, it's only going to create a bubble large enough to encomp@ss the machine, and that would hang forever motionless in space. We could wave at it every year.
Or, once the power source was interrupted, it would shut down and everyone inside would fall like about a centimeter. Even so, there'd probably be a pile of rubble or something similar where the bubble had been, so destabilized would the inside be.
How does a physics grad student schooled in the subtleties of a relativistic universe overlook such glaring concerns?
Wesley: It's simple, really; you just sift the clues until the solution pops out at you.
Wesley's summation was well-written. Clearly whoever wrote that has been jonesing to write that forever. It was cool that they solved the case beyond the case. Good team!
Cordy: We'll do it! We'll do anything!
Virginia: Oh, that's so sad.
The physics were good, but sadly reminiscent of one of those new episodes of "The Outer Limits," which were written by, oh, whoever was hanging around. Or to quote Pearl: "It stars no one and features nothing." If the demons could just morph the equation like that (and this timestop thing would fill every blackboard in California, but only after it had already filled all computer memory, looseleaf notebooks, hotelroom walls and blank CDs available) why hadn't they done it before?
Yutzes. I guess maybe no one had ever gotten close enough to the truth before then. It'd probably be like asking your dog to balance your checkbook. "What the ... ?"
Lorne: The acoustics in this place!
Lorne was fantastic throughout. The pipes on that boy! And the Lubbock demons or whatever they were: "Agh! Run away! It's the attack or the endless stream of John Kerries!" (nothin' but love, guys). I'm pretty sure Kerry's a regular poster on the 'Tome as BingBoi869. The tracking down of Karaoke Boy was a lot more sensible than I'd remembered it. That was a nice bit of reasoning on the part of the writer -- trail through a bunch of karaoke bars. I couldn't think why, otherwise, Lorne had never seen him.
Angel: "That's right, he's a demon. You'd better watch out or he might, y'know, talk your ears off or something."
Angel's spiritual ennui was well thought out. It made a lot of sense in the, um, 50 or so words they devoted to it. No one is beyond redemption. He saw Darla reach out and touch it, hold it in her grasp. He darked up too quickly in my opinion.
Observations: The physics: Obviously someone's been reading. They had to invent Fred or else someone was gonna just explode. And they didn't turn the show into a string of math. I like that they tried to include it though. I love physics.
^^^^^^^ Geek.
More observations: That sorta Tina Fey type character crushing on Physics Boy. "And if you say it, I'll push your face into liquid nitrogen." and a number of other good lines. Whoever was scripting this really missed writing for Cordy.
Meh, that's enough out of me. I did enjoy this eppy, a lot more than I did the first time I saw it. Oh, I mean, um, what a great eppy. There were things, but they're nitpicky. Ultimately, Angel Investigations is on their way, Angel's coming out of his funk, and the show is heading back toward reconciliation. Bottom kicky.angelusfan wrote: ok here is some more of mine: *Gunn-"I am so glad I met you guys. It's entertaining, really." i have to agree meeting ya has been one of the most entertaining thing in my very boring life *Angel- "where'd you learn how to drive?" *Host- "just now in your car" "not bad for beginner, huh." *Angel- "you nearly got us killed 4 times" Sadly he did better than i did i hit a park car and a mail box and a tree *Host-"it's pretty clear we're dealing with a criminal mastermind" right let him think that *Host-"I'm the Host. Have you met me? I never shut up" ain't that the truth and for all you non Americans Go ahead and kill me now for what I'm about to do: Words By: Francis Scott Key Music By: John Stafford Smith Oh, say can you see, By the dawn's early light, What so proudly we hailed At the twilight's last gleaming? Whose broad stripes and bright stars Thro' the perilous fight, O'er the ramparts we watch'd, Were so gallantly streaming? And the rocket's red glare, The bombs bursting in air, Gave proof thro' the night That our flag was still there; Oh, say, does the star spangled Banner yet wave, O'er the land of the free, And the home of the brave?
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Post by tjaman on Apr 1, 2006 13:14:46 GMT -5
Charisma69 wrote:
Angel: Maybe he's just a guy who likes karaoke...maybe he doesn't know anything about you.
Host: That'd make more sense. So what we should do is start with the other local karaoke bars, see if we can get a lead on him--if you're not too busy getting lawyers killed and setting girls on fire.
Funny quotes, heartbreak, singing, and mystery solving. Oh, and some more broodiness from Angel
Angel: Are you going to get to the end of the world or are you just going to chat until it does?
Angel has to save the world, again. This time from a science geek who got his heart broken on his one year anniversary. Speaking of that, pity sex, what's up with that. It's not going to make the breakup any easier.
How funny was it when Lorne had to drive Angel's care being as it was daytime so Angel couldn't drive?
Angel: Where did you learn to drive?
Lorne: Just now, in your car. Not bad for a beginner, huh?
So do you think he was serious, or just being sarcastic?
How cool was it when Wesley did the cl@ssic murder mystery thing and figured out Aunt Helen was behind it? Truly great stuff, and yet another example of how Wesley is starting to come out from under Angel's shadow.
Angel had a mini breakthrough in this episode. He finally acknowledged that he is getting a little too dark.
Now all he needs is an epiphany and I think he might be back to his old broody-in-a-good-way self.bitterman wrote:
"Now all he needs is an epiphany"
Ah-ah! No fair skipping ahead.
... also ...tjaman wrote:
C69 (quoting Angel): You should wear a nice plaid.
Lorne: Ew, not this season.
Priceless! illyria worshipper wrote:
what exactly is a epiphany? tjaman wrote:
A sudden realization.
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