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Post by Disgruntled Gremlin on Oct 21, 2004 21:05:40 GMT -5
And, was thus more faithful to the comic. I never saw Willem Dafoe, in that RIDICULOUS outfit as any kind of a threat. And they beat us over the head with the 'Norman Osbourne is the goblin' story the whole time. I'd rank Spidey 1 down with Batman Forever and Batman and Robin (that's the "It sickens me" category)- whereas S2 may just be the best superhero movie I've ever seen (rivaled only by Batman Returns).
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Post by Bango on Oct 21, 2004 21:29:08 GMT -5
S2 may just be the best superhero movie I've ever seen (rivaled only by Batman Returns). Batman Returns clearly out-ranks Spider Man 2....
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Post by Aunt Arlene on Oct 23, 2004 9:46:39 GMT -5
I got around to seeing The Day After Tomorrow. I wasn't that thrilled with it. A little too melodramatic for my tastes.
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Post by Mr Nasty on Oct 23, 2004 15:51:46 GMT -5
Best superhero movie is "Unbreakable", IMO.
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Post by Bango on Oct 23, 2004 17:08:51 GMT -5
What's it about?
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Post by Aunt Arlene on Oct 23, 2004 17:57:35 GMT -5
It's about two hours of your life that you will never get back. Not one of my favorites, obviously. Changing this for fear of spoilers. Read g'wolf's description of the movie.I loved The Sixth Sense, but M. Night Shamalan hasn't hit since then. I thought Signs was overrated too.
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Post by grailwolf on Oct 24, 2004 0:56:32 GMT -5
Bad, bad, spoilery Auntie!
I loved Unbreakable. The way I would summarize it would be more like: A man (Bruce Willis) wakes up in the hospital after a horrific train wreck to find that he is the only survivor. Also, he hasn't a scratch on him.
The question now is: why and how did this happen? Is he just incredibly lucky or is there some deeper reason?
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Post by grailwolf on Oct 24, 2004 0:57:51 GMT -5
Auntie, I'll agree with you about Signs however. Thought it wasn't nearly as good as the hype. I haven't even bothered with The Village yet.
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Post by TealBox on Oct 24, 2004 9:09:14 GMT -5
How can you guys discuss Shyamalan's work and not point out the over ratedness that is The Sixth Sense? It was made out to be the most surprising plot twist of our life times when really it just turned out that *Spoiler*the living guy was actually a dead guy.*/Spoiler* That is 600 other ghost stories, 200 of which are movies.
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Post by Aunt Arlene on Oct 24, 2004 9:36:53 GMT -5
G'wolf, Sorry if that sounded like a spoiler, but I was actually trying to word it in a non spoiler way. I kept in mind several plot points that would be spoilers and tried to avoid them like the WB. What I described can be found out in the first ten minutes of the movie. I don't think I really gave anything away. The main problem I had with Unbreakable was the same as with Men In Black. There was so much buildup of the plot that it seemed like both movies were cut short. There is no way I am going to explain this right, but when both movies ended, I felt like there was more of the story that needed to be told. I liked The Sixth Sense because I wasn't looking for any twists beyond what the kid was doing. I go into a lot of movies and figure out the ending fairly early on. With this movie, I was interested in the main story enough that I wasn't trying to figure anything else out. I actually shut my brain off and just had fun with the movie.
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Post by grailwolf on Oct 24, 2004 13:12:13 GMT -5
I wasn't really trying to get on your case, Auntie. I'm just a total spoiler-phobe (as any of my friends know who've tried to ask "what's going on?" during a movie... my answer is always, "just wait and you'll find out"). Some of that info was learned during fairly emotional conversations 30 or so minutes into the film, and the beginning of the film is based around the audience being as confused as the main character about what's going on. Still, no harm done. There's still plenty for people who haven't seen the film before to find out on their own. As for Sixth Sense, yeah the twist ending wasn't all that spectacular of a revelation. Still, I can usually see twists coming and I didn't see it til just before it was revealed. I was also impressed by the fact that the movie becomes an entirely different story once you know the secret. The only problem I have with Shyamalan is that he keeps trying to replicate the same formula. Once you go in expecting a twist ending, it's much easier to spot the twist coming. Also, he really needs a better editor who will be willing to remove more of the chaff. Even Sixth Sense was a bit too long and dull at parts. You could easily have lost about 30 minutes of the film and still had a complete story with all the really emotional and powerful moments intact. But that could just be me...
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Post by grailwolf on Oct 24, 2004 13:29:48 GMT -5
One thing that really kind of surprises me is how many folks here liked Batman Returns. I thought that Catwoman was interesting (plus, Michelle Pfeiffer... rawr). I didn't like, however, the fact that they so totally screwed with the origins of both villains. I also thought that having two villains per film was a bad precedent. We really lost any kind of depth for either villain, and Catwoman especially deserved her own film (the Halle Barry silliness aside). The Penguin is not supposed to be some kind of mutant. He's just short and fat and wears a tux. His whole schtick was being an inventor who was angry at the world due to merciless teasing when he was younger. His story is a morality tale about how wrong it is to not accept people for what they are. He was not, I repeat, not, raised by giant mutant penguins in the flippin' sewers! This totally ruined any human part of the story for me. In short, I found his parts of the film painful. Also, Catwoman should be more interesting. She was originally just a vigilante who was inspired by Batman but wound up being too rough on the criminals, occasionally killing them. Batman tried to stop her and she became disillusioned with her idol, turning to a life of crime out of bitterness though still having an almost irresistable attraction to Batty at the same time. That's an interesting human story. Somehow gaining catlike abilities and multiple lives (which is obviously not a real cat ability anyway) is just silly. Still, y'know, better than giant mutant penguins. Just sayin'. For my tastes I would prefer Batman to go back to one villain at a time. Give the villain a chance to be devoped as a character, and don't kill them off! I keep hearing a rumor about a film with The Scarecrow as a villain, and I think that could work out really well. I just want to get back to a level of respect and seriousness close to what we had in the first film. As for Spider-man, I thought both films were great. I found the Osborne/Goblin situation fascinating and very well played by DaFoe. It's an aspect of the character that they hinted at in the comics but never really explored and I was glad to see them go with it. Other than that, it was a setup film. They made the first one in order to make the second one (much like the X-Men films). I thought that Spider-Man 2 was truly phenomenal, and probably the best comic adaptation I've seen so far. But I also enjoyed both X-Men films, Daredevil, and The Hulk, so what do I know?
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Post by Aunt Arlene on Oct 24, 2004 13:39:47 GMT -5
I am actually pretty paranoid about letting a spoiler slip. I once accidentally said something about the real story behind The Perfect Storm in front of my sister in law. She didn't know anything about the story and was understandably pissed. I felt so bad about it that I never watched the movie. Just seeing an ad for the movie still makes me feel guilty.
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Post by TealBox on Oct 25, 2004 18:50:05 GMT -5
My super hero movie reviews:
Daredevil Good but short Hellboy Overrated, but okay Spider-Man I liked it Spider-Man 2 I liked it more The Hulk Mind-numbingly horrible The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen It hurt to watch X-Men Good X2 Better Batman Returns I was 4 when I saw it
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Post by Aunt Arlene on Oct 25, 2004 23:28:08 GMT -5
I actually didn't have a problem with The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I didn't know much about it beforehand and I was expecting it to be crap. The literary references elevated it just enough that I actually liked it somewhat. Nothing like damning it with faint praise. The worst movie I've seen in a while is Timeline. I really liked the book and I was looking forward to the movie. They just mangled it though.
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